(cont.) Do you really think your male family members have been conditioned to think they can do what they want with women? (And as a side note, look up gender symmetry in sexual assault to see how the numbers aren’t that different). We are definitely taught about consent and respect just through everyday life. We’re taught to not treat others how we wouldn’t want to be treated. It’s the kind of people that don’t take that on board which are the kind of people that don’t care about consent
And I just want to say sorry for making you feel sad/angry/whatever emotions you feel. It’s just that your views can sometimes hinder your cause, and sometimes it’s better to leave a situation as inadequate rather than try to fix things and make things worse (by which I mean, stating everyday men don’t understand consent can make them not want to listen to you at all). So again, sorry
I have no choice but to respond to this publicly. I don’t understand what you hoped to have accomplished with this post other than actually demonstrating the complete opposite of what you are arguing.
Don’t apologize for making me angry because it’s obvious that what that translates to is not “I’m sorry I said something ignorant” but rather “I’m sorry my ignorance has crippled your bullshit meter.”
Do you really think your male family members have been conditioned to think they can do what they want with women?
In a word? Yes.
Do I believe that most men know the difference between yes and no? Yes, I do.
Do I believe that most men are violent rapists? No, of course not.
Do I believe that a good majority of men have ever had sex with a woman who was not 100% consenting? Yes. Because our entire society is structured around men, and men’s pleasure.
I can only speak to my own experiences but there have been numerous times where I have felt pressured into having sex, that I have had sex on more than one occasion where I would have preferred not to. Not because I was violently forced to, not because I was consciously pressured by my partner but because I felt OBLIGATED to do it.
An obligation that exists precisely because of the fundamental nature of our society. That in some way I felt guilty for not wanting sex and so had it because I thought that is what I was supposed to do.
This is not just a woman’s problem this is a human problem, and I am not blind enough to believe that this only happens to women. But there is absolutely no denying the fact that this issue is largely women’s.
I believe that male family members have been conditioned to dismiss the issues and the opinions of women, particularly when those women are fighting directly against that patriarchal oppression.
How do I know this? Because you are doing it right now.
It’s just that your views can sometimes hinder your cause
Do I need to add any actual commentary to this statement or should I just leave it here to shine in all it’s ludicrous glory.
(by which I mean, stating everyday men don’t understand consent can make them not want to listen to you at all).
This is not about everyday men not understanding consent when a woman is staring them in the face and saying “I don’t want to have sex with you” and having sex with them anyway.
This is about consent when a woman says she’s not interested and having the decency to treat her like a person instead of a ‘frigid bitch who needs to take a compliment.”
This is about consent when a woman and a man are drunk off their feet but only one has to worry about sharpied dicks in awkward places that last a few days and the other wondering where her underwear went the morning after and imprints that last a fucking life time.
This is about consent when a woman takes her clothes off for a performance and she’s labelled a skank and a slut but a man makes money off a hit song about how great rape is.
So do not tell me that my fight is useless. Do not tell me that I should be quiet because it would make it easier for you to continue to be ignorant. Don’t tell me that you would take me more seriously if I fought your oppression in the way in which you approve.
There seems to be this belief in sterek and Stiles fandom that there is no such thing as canon characterizations. This is a false belief, not supported by any other fandom.
I dont know if I count as an anti but I agree with your response and the ones before it.
For some reason within the Teen Wolf fandom everyone acts like they’ve never ignored canon before. I am sitting here like “wait, what’s going on here.” Because in EVERY other fandom I’ve been in there was a collective understanding that none of these fantastic fanworks exist in canon so why should they follow the canon events?
Honestly how boring is it to read a fic that just retells the whole show? Who wanta to read that? I dont.
Canon is not gold or law or some precious things to be protected. It is a story by writers on tv and from what I understand its a au based on a 80s movie anyway so what is the difference between that and fanon characterizations? If I hire actors and get them to act it out and put it on tv is it better now because its a show?
And if a fic portrays a unique event and has the characters react differently that you expect doesnt mean its wrong, it means you didn’t write the fic and have no clue whats going on so you should reserve judgment until you do.
Also it is not okay to attack people for shipping sterek how they want. I dont ship it, but I am not going to blatantly attack people for saying they want to write, say Stiles, anyway they want. It maybe different for how I would portray him but I am not going to tell them their wrong, I am going to close the tab and find a new fic.
I am not going to comment saying anything UNLESS THEY ASK FOR IT. IF SOMEONE DOESNT ASK FOR CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM DONT GIVE TO THEM, THEY DONT WANT IT.
I also agree that this fandom is toxic, they will fight for literally every reason and no reason.
So let me get this straight.
When fans complained about the introduction of Jennifer Blake as seemingly nothing more than a love interest, when fans complained about how they didn’t want another love interest for Derek, the entire critical and anti-Sterek side jumped on…
sometimes bisexual women try to reclaim the term dyke even though it is a slur used against lesbians and therefore it is not for bisexual women to reclaim
lol as fucking if just spare me
i’m a polysexual queer woman and the word dyke is absolutely used against me on a…
See, I probably wouldn’t be so bitter about this and would’ve given Jeff the benefit of the doubt if he hadn’t said something along the lines of, “so I heard you wanted bisexual representation, so I take your lesbian and I hook her up with a guy instead of, yanno, turning an otherwise straight…
Actually, who gets the benefit of the doubt can differ, according to my experience.
BTW, I say the same thing about Peter, we never got ANY info about how he may have atoned, but at least he did get a ‘we don’t like you’ and several indications he still wasn’t trusted, but not nearly enough. Some haven’t said sorry but, of course, that’s because they AREN’T sorry, like Gerard, for instance. Nobody gives them slack, they just view Peter and Gerard as villains, and nobody expects them to see the error of their ways and if they did, it’d be likely viewed as insincere and suspicious.
Does she improve her actions, yes. But the past should be acknowledged, and not with a joke. I am glad to see, by the end, that she does as you said, just missed the steps on how she GOT there.
And yes, agreeing to disagree is perfect, because it is, after all, simply opinion and personal viewpoints. *shrug*
I can see both points….
I just don’t recall seeing anything about, not ‘pulling her back up again’, but that she did anything that involved pulling herself back up. Season 2 ended there, with Allison learning what Gerard actually was. The break was apparently spent in France, and just not dating Scott. That’s all we know about that period.There doesn’t seem to be any contact, much less any indication that she did any ‘pulling herself up’.
And that’s what I really wanted to see. Not her ‘get pulled up’, but some sort of admission that not only she was misled, which she was, but that even if it’d been TRUE, what she did was wrong. Because most of that had been directed at two who had nothing, even by what she’d been told to do with what happened. The beginning of Season 3, yes, she helps somewhat, but her actions were mentioned, but as a joke, to Isaac. There’s a difference between ‘I came to the wrong conclusions because of the wrong information’ and ‘I did something wrong even in reaction TO that bad information’. I would have liked to have seen more of that.
The fans had to forgive her fast, because the show (as usual) glosses over all the ‘how they all got over it’, any conversations that may or may not have happened, etc. It does this with ALL the characters, so if we’re going to give that same sort of concession, with the idea that asking for forgiveness and talking to each other is just done ‘off camera’, recognize a show is a show, and mostly concentrates on showing, rather than telling, where characters are with each other, and fill in with speculation and fiction, how they got there. And that applies to ALL the characters, equally.
derek’s birthday is on christmas
he’s one of those kids that always got a combined gift
or his birthday gifts were wrapped in christmas wrapping paper
instead of a birthday dinner they had christmas dinner and a cake at the end for derek
there was no special day for him
or how to turn this into a sad thing.
Everyone rejects Gadreel even the sh cast